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  1. Re: Adderall is just an amphetamine

    Author: tomtomgo84 16.07.15 - 12:43

    c80 wrote:
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    > NERO wrote:
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    >> @ c80 You defend yourself here with your hands and feet trying to make your statements
    >> Undermine interlocutors by means of trivialities.
    > What can I do for it, if the education of most forum participants is so low
    > is that you contradict me even though you can be shown to be wrong?
    >
    Recently on the radio: Attention, attention, a wrong-way driver on the highway. Says the driver ... Wtf, not ONE, there are hundreds ...

    >> but if you do this permanently, it is definitely not good.
    > Anyone who says that has no idea. It doesn't matter that you don't
    > Have a clue, but trust that the doctors who do this
    > Prescribing medication already know what to do.
    >
    Sad as it is, doctors act as they've been taught to do, and it's not uncommon for them to be on the payroll of pharmaceutical companies. It is just as rare for two doctors to contradict each other on the same patient and suggest completely different treatments.

    >
    >> Surely you will work 8-9am,
    >> sleep as always, eat as always just a normal day, don't
    > true?
    >
    > Yes, normal. This is exactly how it works. If you share your experience with the
    > Made dirty stuff from the street (which also contains caffeine, by the way)
    > I can understand how you come to such strange views. try it
    > Please understand that not everyone is a junkie and other people
    > therefore know better than you.
    >
    >> Shall we all agree with you dutifully?
    > Would be better for everyone. After all, I'm right and everyone else is wrong.
    >
    >> Yes, I only eat pills now
    > Nobody says - the point is that totally exaggerated is simple
    > To formulate doping with amphetamine in such an exaggerated way (psychotropic drugs).

    No, it's not just doping. The presumably illegal procurement of a prescription drug alone is not easy.
    Simple doping in sport can, for example, be altitude training. Not forbidden. Transfusion of autologous blood is also rather simple in terms of effect, but prohibited. The ingestion of complex-acting substances, the procurement of which is illegal in itself, is no simple doping.
    In esports there is certainly doping in the simple sense of the word. Abusing psychoactive drugs to improve performance is not one of them.
    If, at least it seems, you do it that way, it's up to you to sell it to the general public as harmless, but something completely different and negligent, as there are enough people who believe you and whose addictive behavior is neither them nor them know you and may slip into addiction on your recommendation.

  2. Re: Adderall is just an amphetamine

    Author: c80 16.07.15 - 12:44

    zZz wrote:
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    > There are different amphetamines.
    But I never spoke of amphetamines (i.e. 1-phenyl-2-aminopropane) but of amphetamine (i.e. phenylisopropylamine).

  3. Re: Adderall is just an amphetamine

    Author: tomtomgo84 16.07.15 - 12:57

    c80 wrote:
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    >> Since you are contradicting yourself, in your last post you compare
    > you
    >> Anabolic steroids with daily consumption of Adderall plus a few every now and then
    >> extra pills.
    > There is no contradiction. Where do you see one and why?
    >
    If, on the one hand, you write about daily consumption, on the other hand, it is only about sports events, then it is a contradiction

    >> That doesn't justify the abuse of one
    >> Drug
    > Usage.
    >> A drug is designed to counteract the effects of a disease
    > to
    >> treat or cure a disease.
    > That's just not true. In the development of amphetamine, e.g.
    > military use is decisive. It has nothing to do with diseases
    > to do.

    Again. A substance that occurs in nature and is known cannot be developed. Ampfetamine was first synthetically produced (synthesized) in the 19th century. And not from the military either.
    It may be that the military has developed a suitable preparation, but not amphetamine per se.

  4. Re: Adderall is just an amphetamine

    Author: c80 16.07.15 - 12:58

    tomtomgo84 wrote:
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    > Recently on the radio: Attention, attention, a wrong-way driver on the autobahn.
    > Says the driver ... Wtf, not ONE, there are hundreds ...
    That may sound funny to you, you think you're right. I think it's sad, I know I'm right.
    > As sad as it is, doctors act as they have been taught, and
    > They are not infrequently on the payroll of pharmaceutical companies. Just like that
    > It is rarely the case that two doctors are working on one and the same
    > Patients disagree and suggest completely different treatments.
    So that's your reason why you put your unqualified lay opinion over that of a doctor? And you portray me and my views as stupid ?! Honest???


    > Abusing psychoactive drugs to improve performance is not> one of them.
    Are you doing this on purpose Why should you dose it so high that it becomes psychoactive? Then you play worse. Adderall is only 25% L and 75% D. Dexaphetamine would be even better for gambling and you have no intoxicating effect, the stuff is absolutely useless as an intoxicating drug.

    > If so, it would at least appear that you are doing it that way
    I would never do it, cheating is the last! Please leave such insinuations !!!

    > Addictive behavior
    It's not about addiction, it's about cheating at a sporting event

  5. Re: Adderall is just an amphetamine

    Author: c80 16.07.15 - 13:10

    k41 wrote:
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    > Anyone who compares coffee and amphetamine with each other and coffee as that
    > Identified greater evils, is apparently already strong in his addiction
    > caught.
    Why? In the specific case that you gamble through a whole weekend with it, the statement is correct. Ask a doctor.

    > The fact is that doping is used in the eSport scene, with all partly legal and
    > illegal means.
    Yes, that's well worded.

    > Take responsibility and think along, drug use is not an issue
    > Generate clicks.
    It's not about drug consumption at all, but about doping with medication

  6. Re: Adderall is just an amphetamine

    Author: c80 16.07.15 - 13:15

    modder31415 wrote:
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    > Say c80, and that is really meant seriously: How long are you going to take
    > the stuff already
    You mean amphetamine derivatives for ADHD treatment? Since 1998. Or do you mean coffee? I started with coffee in the mid-80s
    > and you actually notice that you have quite a few
    > Has side effects from your list?
    Yes
    > For example:
    > >> Increase in self-confidence up to euphoria
    Could possibly come from coffee, was present before the ADHD treatment, so it cannot be attributed to it
    > >> increased need to communicate and flow of speech (logorrhea)
    I didn't just get it from coffee (or caffeine) but also from alcohol. Amphetamines tend to make me calm.
    > >> Triggering a drug psychosis (amphetamine psychosis)
    My doctor would have already determined - you have to go there regularly if you get a prescription.

  7. Re: Adderall is just an amphetamine

    Author: c80 16.07.15 - 13:17

    NERO wrote:
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    > He learns that people like c80 are up to
    > Use the knife for your own addiction
    It wasn't about that anywhere. Anyone who reads this out of here has quite different difficulties.

  8. Re: Adderall is just an amphetamine

    Author: plutonium sulfate 16.07.15 - 13:22

    c80 wrote:
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    >> For example, cortisone is often prescribed
    > Nonsense. Since 2008 there has been no drug with de in Germany
    > mActive substance cortisone
    >
    >> is anything but harmless.
    > Yes it is. That's why it was also available without a prescription.

    Just because it was once over the counter doesn't mean it's harmless. In retrospect, a lot of harmless things turn out to be very dangerous and are then banned for good reason.

  9. Re: Adderall is just an amphetamine

    Author: humpfor 16.07.15 - 13:24

    Sry, but what did you read? : D

    Oxycodone has a plan. MarkusDashy doesn't have one. C80 has more ;-)

    And look at the statements of Oxycodone and C80 .. They do not contradict each other. MarkusDashy and oxycodone, for example, do.

    I don't know whether amphetamine is the same / less / more dangerous than caffeine and I can't disagree with the C80 either. The rest of it, actually ..


    Anyone who compares illegal drugs with drugs in any way, just because they have some constituent part, is automatically disqualified anyway.

    Drugs are created for maximum profit and, best of all, with the highest potential for addiction. But they can mix in whatever they want (that's the famous STRECKEN).
    In AT, an association called checkIt is often present at many techno events (why should you?)! See here: http://www.checkyourdrugs.at/warnung/
    They also test drugs (speed, ecstasy, etc.) and there is actually never anything in it .. And the stuff is mostly not intended for people and certainly not for the "turn" effect.

    Of course, drugs are sold with the highest possible profit, but it takes time until a drug is approved and ALL components are checked.

  10. Re: Adderall is just an amphetamine

    Author: Rudi81 16.07.15 - 13:41

    Amphetamine, amphetamine, doesn't really matter.

    Medicines are used to treat problems. This is GE use of drugs. Anything beyond that is ABUSE.
    And that includes throwing pills every day or improving performance

    Being able to go through a weekend is not a health problem. Throwing pills every day to improve performance is not a health issue.

    It is only a health problem when there is a deficit that has to be compensated. For those who, for example, are unable to perform 80% of the day due to a malfunction, the daily use of funds is quite appropriate. Anyone who throws pills for exams, for parties or for weekend tournaments to improve their chances, MISS uses these funds.

    POINT.

  11. Re: Adderall is just an amphetamine

    Author: tomtomgo84 16.07.15 - 13:49

    humpfor wrote:
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    > Anyone who compares illegal drugs with drugs in any way,
    > Just because they have any constituent the same is disqualified
    > automatically anyway.

    not necessarily, it must first be considered in which relation a comparison is made.
    Let us take, for example, drug-related crime as a comparison: One goes to a trusted dealer, the other to the other trusted dealer - once to buy speed, once to buy prescription drugs

    > Of course, drugs are also sold with the highest possible profit,
    > But until a drug is approved, it takes a while and there
    > is checked for ALL components.

    Yes, then you will surely be familiar with the term "revolving door effect" in the economic / political sense.
    In principle, however, this does not change anything about the misuse of drugs

  12. Re: Adderall is just an amphetamine

    Author: tomtomgo84 16.07.15 - 14:07

    c80 wrote:
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    >> Recently on the radio: Warning, Warning, a wrong-way driver on the Autobahn.
    >> Says the driver ... Wtf, not ONE, there are hundreds ...
    > That may sound funny to you, you think you are right. I think
    > sad, i know i'm right.
    Unlike you, I never said I was right. And I even say yes you are right. You have a disease that you have been treating with medication for 17 years. But that doesn't mean that you are right in all respects.

    >> As sad as it is, doctors act as they have been taught, and
    >> They are not infrequently on the payroll of pharmaceutical companies.
    > Exactly
    >> It is not very rare that two doctors are working on one and the same
    >> Patients disagree and suggest completely different treatments.
    > So that is your reason why you give your unqualified lay opinion
    > over that of a doctor? And you represent me and my views as
    > stupid ?! Honest???
    Please tell me where I did that and please tell me why you have to get personal?
    And no, I have neither an unqualified nor an amateur opinion, because firstly I am a chemistry laboratory technician - I know the subject a little bit - and secondly, I do not represent any views stupid, but only suggest that it is also among experts and does not always give the same opinion on the same case and one should not rely on the testimony of ONE doctor. Especially not when many doctors ring the bell when they pull out the prescription pad in their own pocket because they have a contract with a pharmaceutical company.

    >
    >> Psychoactive drugs Abusing to improve performance belongs to
    > not> to this.
    > Are you doing this on purpose? Why should you dose it so high so that it?
    > becomes psychoactive? Then you play worse. Adderall is only 25% anyway
    > L and 75% D. Dexaphetamine would be even better for gaming and taking with you
    > You no intoxication, the stuff is absolutely useless as a narcotic drug.

    Are you now giving us serious advice on which meds we should abuse for gambling (in your case, use)?
    According to the definition, psychoactive substances are those that have an external influence (swallowing, sniffing) on ​​the psyche OR the perception of a person. And why, if not to increase awareness, should you do something like that? So yeah, that's my intention.

    >> If so, at least it seems that you are doing it that way
    > I would never do it, cheating is the last! Please leave them
    > Allegations !!!
    Then I don't understand why you defend the swallowing of amphetamines for the purpose of taking advantage (gambling / school etc) so painfully, or make the danger so down

    >> Addictive behavior
    > It's not about addiction, it's about cheating at a sporting event
    Fraud with Means. who are addictive. Again - you don't know the addiction risk of all readers. By downplaying it, even recommending it or your formulation suggesting a recommendation, it could be that because of your statements someone is tempted to do so and in the worst case becomes dependent on it

  13. Re: Adderall is just an amphetamine

    Author: k41 16.07.15 - 14:24

    tomtomgo84 wrote:
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    > c80 wrote:
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    >> tomtomgo84 wrote:
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    >>> The other day on the radio: Attention, attention, a wrong-way driver on the
    > Autobahn.
    >>> Says the driver ... Wtf, not ONE, there are hundreds ...
    >> That may sound funny to you, you think you are right. I
    > finds
    >> sad, I know that I am right.
    > Unlike you, I never claimed to be right. And I claim
    > even yes you are right. You have a disease that you have been with for 17 years
    > treated with medication. But that doesn't mean that you are in all of them
    > you are right.
    >
    >>> As sad as it is, doctors act as they have been taught, and
    >>> They are not infrequently on the payroll of pharmaceutical companies.
    >> Exactly
    >>> It is not very rare that two doctors are working on one and the same
    >>> Patients disagree and suggest completely different treatments.
    >> So that is your reason why you are unqualified
    > Lay opinion
    >> over that of a doctor? And you represent me and my views
    > as
    >> stupid ?! Honest???
    > Please tell me where I did that and please also tell me why you
    > have to get personal?
    > And no, I have neither an unqualified nor amateur opinion, because
    > First of all, I am a chemistry laboratory technician - I know the material after all
    > little out - and secondly, I am not portraying views as stupid, but rather interpreting
    > Just point out that it is also the same case among experts
    > Don't always give the same opinion and you don't rely on the statement
    > A doctor should support. Especially not if many doctors do
    > when you pull out the recipe pad in your own pocket, the bell rings because she
    > have a contract with a pharmaceutical company.
    >
    > >
    >>> Abusing psychoactive drugs to improve performance
    > heard
    >> not> to this.
    >> Are you doing this on purpose? Why should you dose it so high, with it
    > it
    >> becomes psychoactive? Then you play worse. Adderall is just anyway
    > 25%
    >> L and 75% D. Dexaphetamine would be even better for gaming and at it
    > have
    >> you no intoxicating effect, the stuff is absolute as a narcotic drug
    > unusable.
    >
    > Are you now giving us serious advice on which medis we gamble for
    > should abuse (use in your case)?
    > According to the definition, psychoactive substances are those that have an influence on
    > Outside (swallow, sniff) on the psyche OR the perception
    > of a person. And why, if not to increase awareness
    > should one do something else like that? So yeah, that's my intention.
    >
    >>> If so, at least it seems that you are doing it that way
    >> I would never do it, cheating is the last! Please leave them
    >> Allegations !!!
    > Then I don't understand why you swallow amphetamine for the purpose
    > Taking advantage (gambling / school etc) so wehement defend, or the
    > Make dangerousness so down
    >
    >>> Addictive behavior
    >> It's not about addiction but about cheating on you
    > Sports event
    > Fraud with funds. who are addictive. Again - you know that
    > No addiction risk for all readers. By playing it down, even recommending it
    > or your formulation suggests a recommendation, it could be that
    > because of your statements someone is led to it and in the worst case
    > becomes dependent on it

    What a drug is to him, drugs are to other people.

    Since I know 2 people who have also been taking Ritalin for years (both also diagnosed with ADHD), they also develop into this "amphetamine is great, everything else is poison" ... is probably a side effect ^^

  14. Re: Adderall is just an amphetamine

    Author: Highway 16.07.15 - 15:22

    c80 wrote:
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    >> Say c80, and that is really meant seriously: How long do you take
    > you
    >> the stuff already
    > You mean amphetamine derivatives for ADHD treatment? Since 1998. Or do you mean
    > Coffee? I started with coffee in the mid-80s
    >> and you actually notice that you have quite a few
    >> Has side effects from your list?
    > Yes
    >> For example:
    >> >> Increase in self-confidence up to euphoria
    > Could possibly come from coffee, was present before the ADHD treatment, is
    > So in no way attributable to it
    >> >> increased need for communication and fluency of speech (logorrhea)
    > I didn't just get it from coffee (or caffeine) but also from alcohol.
    > Amphetamines tend to make me calm.
    >> >> Triggering a drug psychosis (amphetamine psychosis)
    > My doctor would have already determined - you have to do that regularly
    > if you get prescribed that.

    So apparently the remedy is so "dangerous" that you have to see a doctor on a regular basis. It seems strange to me, I've never had to go to the doctor for coffee.

  15. Re: Adderall is just an amphetamine

    Author: Anonymous user 16.07.15 - 15:47

    @ c80: I definitely think it's strong that you answered my questions. Thanks =)

  16. Re: Adderall is just an amphetamine

    Author: SelfEsteem 16.07.15 - 16:43

    c80 wrote:
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    > You mean where I got the ability between amphetamine and amphetamines
    > to distinguish? Everyone should understand that, either a little
    > Had chemistry lessons or at least can use Wikipedia. Here one
    > Excerpt: "Amphetamine is the parent compound of the substance class amphetamines"

    Well, yes and no, I meant the entirety.
    E.g. the claim that amphetamines are less risky than caffeine.
    I like to believe - and, as I said, I have no mistake from it - just where does your knowledge about this come from or what qualifies you for the statement?

  17. Re: Adderall is just an amphetamine

    Author: der_true_hannes 16.07.15 - 17:19

    c80 wrote:
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    > See above. It's not about drugs, but about medis;)

    Just like that: Medicines ARE drugs. Or what do you think, why drugs are called "drugs" in English and why you usually go to a "drugstore" to buy drugs? ;)

    PS: Yes, it is clear to me that a difference is made in colloquial language. However, in truth there is none ...

    Otherwise I find the statement "Amphetamines are completely harmless" not only stupid, but also quite dangerous. You can replace the daily cup of coffee with a daily dose of amphetamine pills and in a year you can report ...

    The statement "Adderall is approved as a drug" is only true for the US market. As can be seen from the article, it is NOT permitted in Germany and Austria.

  18. Re: Adderall is just an amphetamine

    Author: irrelevant 16.07.15 - 21:05

    Adderall is clearly more harmful to health than coffee, especially with long-term use - but the article and the listing of side effects were still a bit sensational and many here are probably simply blinded by the legal status of the substance instead of doing their own research. Adderrall works in the same way as Ritalin, maybe marginally stronger. As far as doping for esports is concerned, caffeine easily has the same potential for increasing performance and incidentally just as "frightening side effects" such as sleep disorders, headaches, cardiac arrhythmias ... but because it is legal, nobody sees it as problematic. It's just a bit lazy, but there is nothing you can do.

  19. Re: Adderall is just an amphetamine

    Author: Anonymous user 16.07.15 - 21:43

    c80 wrote:
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    >> By the way, meth is legal in the USA
    > Even here in Germany, meth is marketable!

    Wow. You probably seem super smart now. Marketability means nothing at first. Basically, almost everything is marketable. It depends on the additional requirements.

  20. Re: Adderall is just an amphetamine

    Author: Anonymous user 16.07.15 - 22:02

    MrTuscani wrote:
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    > C80: Just because YOU can supposedly handle it, the rest of them can
    > The world is far from ...

    When I see his spiritual ghost journey here I seriously ask myself whether he can handle it. Got the feeling he crossed his line a long time ago.

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