How comparable is peyote to mushrooms


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Hello !

If you browse around here a few questions come to mind ...

How many of these peyote cacti would you actually have to consume in this country to achieve the effect that you can achieve with a single wild specimen?

Isn't there a better chance that you will get diarrhea much sooner instead of the hallus you want? Is it really worth throwing out that much money just to get in on it ...?

Bye Alex

Hm, the question came to my mind. * g * But now I know that even the Indians have to pull in at least three to five medium-sized (rather larger) peyote buttoms in their ceremonies in order to get going. In addition, the plant has to taste really bad and many people do vespers back from time to time, although there are exceptions. The mescaline content of plants grown in these latitudes shouldn't necessarily be particularly high, but I'm not sure of that. What is certain, however, is that even without a trip it is an ingenious plant that also has its "vibe".

Greeting,
Mezcal

I once read in some serious source that for a trip you would have to eat at least 10 buttons that are about 4 cm in diameter from mexico ... my scale estimate (which is not based on any sound basis, no, ah, not on empirical values ​​* g * ) is at least 20 such cacti from domestic breeding ...

I'll look it up in a book;)

markus berger writes on the subject: 4-25 dried or 10-40 fresh buttons (depending on the size), mind you, this number is mexico-grown peyotes, so still nothing with local ... witer: the local ones a lot can contain much less mescaline than the mexican ones, he makes no statement about the dosage because he thinks it is too dangerous ...

adam gottlieb writes about it you would need 6-10 2.5 cm peyotes - matured in the open air under the mexican sun ... the older the cactus, the drug

assuming my estimate is reasonably correct - you would feed an eby value of around 400 € - under certain circumstances only for huge pigs that you can clean away afterwards ... I prefer to auction the cacti ... besides, I am alcohol and now and then a cigarillo or one cigar enough drug - I like my sparsely sown gray cells much too much than that I would blow them away because of that shit ...;)

ludwig

on the subject of ingenious plants: I think so too! I bought it because I thought it was cool to own a halucinogenic plant, but all drug cacti;) are far more than that and you are actually doing them wrong if you only look at them as siols :)

Please excuse Loui, this is not going to go against you now!

So instead of digging up the last Lophophoras in Mexico, I recommend anyone who needs a trip to bite into an Opuntia echios!

And if that's not enough, put an Opuntia humifusa between the A .... bake!

If that is still not cool enough then you will definitely fly high with a bite into a Euphorbia canariensis!

You can then exchange your experiences in the intensive care unit!

Bye Alex

markus berger writes on the subject: 4-25 dried or 10-40 fresh buttons

He doesn't explain why fresh ones should be less potent than dried ones. Does anyone know what?


Kind regards

Stulli

Hello !

Freshness simply contains more juice, doesn't it?

Alex

Freshness simply contains more juice, doesn't it?

And? It is already clear to me that 100g of dried peyote contains more mescaline than 100g of fresh peyote. But if 4 dried cacti are enough for an effect, but you need at least 10 for fresh ones - then this only allows the conclusion that more mescaline is formed when drying. Or this increases the bioavailability. Neither of these seems really plausible to me ...


Kind regards

Stulli

Hi Alex!
I wouldn't have felt attacked anyway ... by the way, I didn't say that the Mexican ones should be dug up, for God's sake, they should all continue to grow undisturbed!
and if someone really wants to blow his brain cells away, he should take a revolver with dum-dum bullet, that is much more effective, and he does not bother his surroundings so much ... apart from the piggy of course;)

@ stulli
that is my (sparse, insufficient, insufficient ...) knowledge of a chemical thing. peyotes do not only contain mescaline (3-4-5-trimethoxyphenylethylamine, the vulture knows why I remembered that of all things;)) but dozens of other (over 100) alkaloids and their (chemical) precursors, e.g. dopamine (if I have Really noticed that, for whatever reason ... if I only remembered things in school, then I would never have to learn again: -?). During the drying process, these preliminary stages are transformed into 'real' mescaline and other alkaloids, i.e. the actual psychoactive substances, i.e. more mescaline, more intoxication or vomiting!

Oh, so the other way around. I read it wrong.

I still think it's idiotic!

Bye Alex (noisi)

Hello Alex,

I also bought the peyotes for this reason. I wanted to have a nice spiritual journey with it. It was clear to me that I would have to wait many years for them to be "ripe" enough to eat them. But after all these years they would be too good for me to harvest them. Especially since they encourage me even more with their strange stature to get them healthy again.

In the meantime I have researched and learned that it is better, cheaper and easier, but just as effective, to use the San Pedro for it. It grows very quickly and, like peyote, contains the active mescaline. In other words, an alternative to the expensive and slow-growing peyote that cannot be refused.

If you decide to take a trip with mescaline cacti, I would recommend that you do it in an experienced group. There are enough experienced shamans who offer such trips. They are very familiar with the effects and can help you immediately if you run into difficulties. It is a very deep journey to yourself and a chance to heal your body and soul. However, you should be in reasonably good mental health when doing this, as it could be an uncomfortable trip if you are suicidal or something similar.

Otherwise I wish you wonderful experiences with it! It enriches life immensely.

sunny greetings
Herb witch

Hello !

So if I write here what I feel like right now, I will probably be kicked out of the forum!

I think that calling for drug use is pretty wrong!

When I want to travel I get on the train. So thank you.

Mfg Alex

PS: I think you've already "nibbled" a few too many cacti.

* noisifriendly in the poor *

Dude, with such spiritual fuss I was only thundered in my community service ... If only you, and oh, join in, it's so great, afterwards you feel like newborn and quack ...
Sweat lodge, good and nice, it has something for itself, but when the old woman takes a deer antler in her hand, strokes it a few times with her hand and with her eyes closed makes a face as if she had a huge exit, old Falter, ask I wonder if being a vegetarian is really that healthy ...
Shaman, body, soul ... Wonderful experience ...
How do I withdraw from reality and live in my dream world?
If it gets too cold for me in real life, I whistle some mescaline in, and everything is nice and colorful again ... Also a form of addiction ...

@ Stulli: To clarify that with the concentration ...
Drink a liter of raspberry syrup, then dilute it according to the instructions and drink a liter of it ...
What do you mean, from which you have to quarrel?

Because of this, you need a lot more peyotes when they're fresh!
If the liter of syrup were a mescal button, it makes sense that you need a lot more in a diluted state (fresh plant) to achieve the same dose ...
Is it?

I would have loved to have received such a warm answer from the herb witch, from which the sweet temptation so literally pours out ...
But as a fairly realist and drug misunderstanding and drug addict, one can only expect to be called arrogant ...
My mental level is so much lower because I don't see colorful flowers all the time and escape reality ...
Sorry, but this spirituality joke and everything is so great always sounds a bit like the madness of the obsessed to me ...
As I said, I was able to experience cheese almost continuously for a year and a half. I didn't get the impression of people who have both feet on the ground ...
More like the impression of people who desperately want to see themselves strong in solidarity with something with these actions ...
When a working woman gives herself up so much and renames herself for some kind of circle, be it Supatra as a guy or Soujani as a woman, or Sumiran, or what kind of cheese do I know, then I don't know ...
All others who do not sympathize with it are either crazy or get to see the true (mostly lost) character of these people after unsuccessful proselytizing attempts, who are then suddenly no longer so dear to me. ..

Greetings Andreas

Nothing against you, herbalist ...
I don't know you, but the hocus-pocus up there, and your answers in the other thread to me, remind me too much of the whole thing!
I think spirituality is also a great thing, and I think there's more to it than that, but not on tour ...

I thought I shit when I read the post from Kreuterhexe ... a shaman who is very familiar with the effects ... may well be ... can help you with any problems ... that's probably him greatest joke! If you get serious physical problems on such a trip, only a doctor on the detox station can help you, who you reveal all things and tell him what you have done - admittedly, the shaman might save your life, but largely from permanent damage do not save under any circumstances !!

but well, I think drugs are pretty good anyway, you rest your life with it and nothing more. oh so many people can tell me that it would be so great and wouldn't do anything at all (no, a joint is not a drug, I've only been doing it regularly for 3 years and I'm not addicted) that's just not true!
I only like cacti as an addiction :) it's fun, you have no problems (except space problems of course), you have something for your whole life: D that's something !!! and one is guaranteed not to be more stupid (which I unfortunately had to find out with some of my classmates who are strongly inclined to mind-expanding substances) ...

in this sense

ludwig

To clarify that with the concentration ...
Drink a liter of raspberry syrup, then dilute it according to the instructions and drink a liter of it ...
What do you mean, what you have to quarrel from?

Because of this, you'll need a lot more peyotes when they're fresh!
If the liter of syrup were a mescal button, it makes sense that you need a lot more in a diluted state (fresh plant) to achieve the same dose ...

Tell me, what are you talking about? Assumed mescaline shows the first effects from 100mg (http://www.erowid.org//chemicals/mescaline/mescaline_dose.shtml). Since 10 peyotes are given as the minimum (fresh), that would correspond to about 10mg / cactus. However, the minimum for dried buttons is 4 pieces - approx. 25mg / cactus. Where does the extra mescaline come from?
If the information is per piece, drying should at most cause a loss of effectiveness.

@Loui
Nice theory, but I don't find it convincing either. I thought about it again and IMHO the indication is simply incorrect.


Kind regards

Stulli

I do hope that all the drug addicts who have spoken out here also give up alcohol, cigarettes, coffee and tea. Otherwise it would all be quite hypocritical.

greeting

wolfgang

Hi Guys,

it is always amazing what kind of reactions I get with my answers. :O

I don't know whether I am not expressing myself clearly, or whether I do not understand you, or whether you do not want to understand me, out of principle, or because of my nature. I am sorry if I have such a negative effect on you, but it is no offense.

I read the following:

Hello !

If you browse around here a few questions come to mind ...

How many of these peyote cacti would you actually have to eat in this country to achieve the effect that you can achieve with a single wild specimen?

Isn't there a better chance that you will get diarrhea much sooner instead of the hallus you want? Is it really worth throwing out that much money just to get in on it ...?

Bye Alex

I understood this question as it stands. That means in my eyes that Alex is interested in trying out the peyotes. On the contrary, I absolutely do not want to tempt him to eat it, but rather warn of the dangers! With all hallucinogenic substances there is the possibility of "getting stuck". It doesn't matter if it is mushrooms, mescaline, LSD or something else. That's why you should think twice about it when you consume something like this. But if someone is irrevocably interested in it, I stand to say that you shouldn't do it alone, but in the care of an experienced person. And the fact that peyote is used by shamans for ceremonial purposes is nothing new, is it?

I myself am not a crazy drug addict who whistles into anything that is booming. On the contrary, I have great respect for all these substances and am still too afraid to take them and possibly lose control of my body or mind. But I am sure that at some point I will try it out with company, when the time comes.

You can see something negative in everything, if you want, it's up to you how you interpret this mail. It doesn't help either to tell you that I'm a good-hearted person, because we'll never get to know each other personally to find out. These few answers from me here on the forum are a minimal part of my personality. And yes, I'm a weird bird sometimes too, but that's what defines my personality. If you can't cope with it at all and see me as a bad troublemaker of this forum, I am of course also ready to log out here and not "bother" you anymore.

sunny greetings
Herb witch

Hello Clopedio / Andreas,

I have already recognized that you are very convinced of yourself and proudly reveal it, which is not necessarily a bad thing. But you are not always right or have found the only correct truth. Your prejudices against other people, opinions or convictions are very high. You may have had bad experiences and react accordingly, but you are not making friends if you do not tolerate or accept the opinion of others, but only put it down on the grounds that you are the experienced omniscient.
Quote: "... who I know what I'm talking about ...!"

I can only laugh at the allegations and philosophies you write about me. Not a word is true. You still have a strong imagination. : lol:

I can understand that you are not interested in the "spiritual fuss", because not everyone can do something with it. And it doesn't have to, after all, there are plenty of other things to believe in. But then to get upset about it as much as you do, without knowing the context and the background of spirituality, is unnecessary in my eyes. Even if you had your experiences, you never accepted it. I don't understand what you mean by: "... but not on tour." Which tour? Because I said that the peyote should better be taken in a ceremony under the care of an experienced person?

I am not a malicious person who uses any tour to possibly convert or influence someone. I live my way and let others live according to their way. And just as I accept other opinions, one should also accept mine, even if it is alien to some and they have nothing to do with it.

greetings
Herb witch

P.S. As I said, if the majority of you in the forum think I am a troublemaker, I am ready to unsubscribe. It is not my goal to get your adrenaline pumping.

Hello !

Dear herb witch!

I have nothing against your attitude or opinion and weird birds have their good things too! I'm certainly not dead straight myself.

You are writing something about shamans etc., I'm sorry but that sounds just so ...! And you're right, we don't know you, I don't know you and if we knew each other personally, we'd either be the best friends or not, who knows.

Well, I didn't want any instructions on how to take it, I made fun of it, because I thought this was a cactus forum and not a 'Menstruating together in search of the truth' forum. : wink:

PS: Nobody called you a troublemaker, but on the other hand I could call myself that, because this is the third time I've started such a discussion.

Dear Wolfgang!

Nothing against you, but I think your objection was somehow, well, a little thoughtless. I think there are differences between hallucinogenic mushrooms and coffee or tea. I think smoking sucks, and I don't drink either, but equating coffee or tea with mind-altering drugs is a bit unsuccessful.

But if I am hypocritical about it, then I am, but I have never seen myself or even called myself holy. And I don't want to be a moral apostle either.

Bye Alex

Thanks for hugging it, Andreas!

Hello Wolfgang!

so i can partially understand your objection, but i don't agree with you 100%. if someone drinks alcohol to get drunk, they should shut up, if someone has a beer or two from time to time, because they like it, that's a totally different matter. And you will surely not want to claim that people who smoke weed only do this because they taste it so good and not because they want to get high from it ...

hello hoodie!
I don't find it so illogical / unlikely, but as long as it is not proven;)
But what is probably clear is that dried peyotes have a stronger effect ... and I don't think that autosuggestion can make such a big difference ... maybe I'll find something about it, let's see (I'm really interested in that now ) :)

greetings, ludwig

Hello herbalist

So I don't see you as a troublemaker. You may have a different attitude towards cacti than I do, but that's probably normal.

I am a great friend of animals and it would make me sick if I kept thinking about the cruelty to animals that is committed every day. And wherever she meets me personally, I take action against it.
Still, I like a schnitzel or a Christmas whole: oops:
So we're pretty much alike: wink:

I can't throw away a plant either, I've already fetched some from the compost, but when my neighbor felled his 40-year-old birch tree last weekend, I was really happy. It swallowed up all the afternoon sun for my large living room window.
In this sense I am also quite hypocritical: oops:

I would be interested if you can still get your Lophos: roll:

Goodbye and good luck

Andrea

(And if you ask for any advice, don't insist on your mistakes, just see them, we all do them,
: wink:)

That comes from me, the constant being thrown out is really annoying: evil:: evil:: evil:

Bye

Andrea
(who doesn't like to be kicked out)

Sooo!

Where should I start...

@ Herbal Witch: As for cacti, I KNOW what I'm talking about ...
If it had turned out differently in my community service, or if I hadn't been pressured with all that stuff, I might not have such an abstruse view today ...
And again you come to me ... I said above, I don't know you, it just looks damn similar to me ...
Hey, I was a fire watcher at a sweat lodge ceremony, and even if the whole Heia seemed a bit strange (because unfamiliar?), It was a great job, especially because I was entrusted by a Lakota Sioux who, as a real Indian, certainly not lets everyone do it ...
Powder River, maybe you've heard of him?!?
So, in the future, peace, I'll hold back, but maybe revise your picture of me a bit, because you don't know me either =)!

@Wolfgang: I've never smoked in my life, at most passively from my parents, and unlike my brother, I've been able to resist it successfully so far. What will continue to be so ...
You can chase me with tea!
I only drink alcohol very rarely ... My Jack Daniels regularly gets at least half a year older with me, beer usually gets too bitter after the first sips, the rest is for the bag anyway ...
And there's nothing to be said against a well-tended wine at dinner, right?
Coffee is a nice leisure drink, and the things I drink (little alcohol, coffee) are certainly not consumed with the intention of consuming a peyote, namely in the sense of getting drunk or whatever always !

Greetings Andreas

BtW: If I had something against fire plants, I would certainly not have Salvia divinorum standing with me ...
Although it admittedly inspires me more than the millennia-old crop that it is, as does my Hopi maize ...

Hello Andreas, hello Ludwig,

we already have the hypocrisy I mean. Each of you use drugs, but of course in your case it is different from the bad guys who use hallucinogenic or other illegal drugs. Legal drugs are used for pleasure or taste, and illegal drugs are used for intoxication, which by definition is bad.
Every drug is used for its effects, including milder drugs like tea and coffee. If one of your fellow human beings takes a drug that has a different effect, then you think you have to be outraged because you only like other drugs.
The decisive factor is whether the consumer harms his fellow human beings. If not, he should be able to do what he wants.
In any case, if one considers the potential danger of alcohol in relation to hashish and mescaline, then alcohol is much more dangerous because its lethal dose is very close to the effective dose and its addictive potential is considerably higher.
In view of the fact that, for example, the Oktoberfest is the world's largest drug festival in Munich every year, I can't find anything bad when a few people eat a San Pedro or a Lophophora because they are interested in the effects of mescaline. The addictive potential of mescaline is in any case almost zero and permanent damage will only result in exceptional cases. This is far more positive than anything you know about many legal drugs.

greeting

wolfgang

Hello !

So you mean that we, Andreas, Alex and Loui, are such Oktoberfest alcohol corpses?

And how do you come up with it?

Alex

Hello Alex,

I didn't want to accuse anyone of being an Oktoberfest beer corpse. What I wanted to express is the request for tolerance towards people who would like to try drugs other than the socially accepted ones without harming their fellow human beings, especially if they also involve fewer risks than those generally accepted in this country.
And if you drink alcohol from time to time, but resist so vehemently against being an Oktoberfest beer corpse, then that means for me that you think you can handle this drug. Then why do you assume that people can't take mescaline too, when the addictive potential of this drug is next to nonexistent. Or do you think someone gets addicted to whistling in half a kilo of San Pedro slime a day?

greeting

wolfgang

Hello Wolfgang!

i am certainly not one of the oktoberfest-alkleichen, but that does not necessarily mean that i can really handle alcohol. I don't want to say that I've never had too much of it (I've never had a real hangover, but I thought it was too much before that). but what i can't understand are people who intend to drink under the table, that is, who want a real intoxication, who drink alcohol. In my opinion there is a big difference between whether you are drunk because you want to be drunk (which I deeply despise) or whether you get drunk because the beer just comes in ... of course, the end effect is the same, and it doesn't matter how it is to avoid imo - which I don't want to attack someone who has been drunk before. besides, when i drink beer no alcohol has to be in it, i also like to drink castrated beer;), the only problem is that you rarely find it at festivals and in shops - plus a type that i like.

but when you take drugs like marijuana or meskalin you do it with the intention of having a boom, that's the same thing as when you get drunk on purpose. and you can't tell me that someone only takes 50mg of mescaline because they like the taste - so please

you can find this attitude hypocritical, I don't judge it that way (which you will certainly call hypocritical again;)). In my opinion, everyone can do what they want, but I can also say that I can't understand the intentional booming. besides, kräuterhexe wrote that although she intended to eat the cacti, her opinion has now changed, which I think is really good! compliment :)

about the effects of mescaline: it is absolutely not true that it does not have any harmful effects. Sure, not after a trip or they are so low that they are negligible, but it is the same with alk and hashish.
Frequent use of mescaline leads to: irreparable liver damage (like all drugs actually), bleeding in the marrow substance, hyperemia, changes in the marrow and cortex of the adrenal glands, fat infiltration and degeneration of the liver cells (fatty liver, see alcohol, now it's about the liver stop 2 times inside) and deterioration in brain functions. just so much about it ...

mfg, ludwig

Hello Loui!

You are not allowed to drink anything yet, you are still much too small. : wink:

Hello Wolfgang !

I think the original question here (from me, by the way) was how many of these cacti do you have to 'destroy' in order to achieve what and whether that won't be a bit expensive, and whether it is worth throwing out so much money just to end up with it Getting diarrhea.

So, it wasn't about banning someone from using drugs at all, as far as I am concerned, anyone can smoke their old socks if they need to.

So the question is not allowed or not, but what do you need it for? I just don't get it, you know?

I mean, the herbalist has already said that she will not eat her Lophos anymore because she has grown too fond of them. And then suddenly it starts from shamans and so on. to talk. I just think that's a bit silly. As far as I am concerned, she should whistle in what makes her happy.

On the other hand, I can't understand the people who eat their opuntia, no matter how good it tastes.

And originally I asked this question here because new user names seem to appear all the time, solely to ask about those 'Hallu cacti'. It seems to me as if they picked it up somewhere and now have to compulsively try it themselves.

One more thing, I don't just refuse to be an Oktoberfest-whatever-corpse, I despise and loathe Oktoberfest, just like that stupid Apre ski (or whatever it is called) and all the other binge-drinking spectacles! I don't even drink beer.

And that Lophos etc. act on the consciousness, I just find dangerous. That's why the herb witch spoke of her travel companion shamans. Not true ?

Well, well, I'll never eat a cactus for whatever reason, but I don't mind if others do, can we make peace again? : yo:

The main thing is that you don't eat my Melocactus, okay? : wink:

Bye Alex

@Loui

Actually, I've been interested in this for a long time - that's why I finally asked elsewhere: click (http://www.drogen-forum.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=42919)


In my opinion, everyone can do what they want, but I can also say that I can't understand the intentional boom.

Actually a very commendable attitude - and yes, you can. ;-) However, afaik not all drugs lead to irreparable liver damage. Mescaline is liver damaging in high doses, that's probably true. For the rest, I would really like to have a reputable source. You should also say what you mean by "frequent use". Members of the Native American Church regularly consume large doses of mescaline and I have not seen any side effects to date. Except, perhaps, that NAC members are less likely to have drinking problems and are supposedly healthier mentally and physically than other Indians. (Imho, however, this is not a direct effect of mescaline, but a consequence of the peyote rituals, which give these uprooted people a firm hold again.)
I don't quite understand what you have against the intoxication either. Even many scientists now recognize the search for intoxication and ecstasy as an important human drive. Also, one factor not to be despised in drug use is simply curiosity. noisi wrote: "When I want to travel I get on the train." That's right, but if I want to see Moscow, I don't get on a train to Paris. And if I want to know how mescaline (or another drug) changes my perceptions and thought processes, no train in this world will help me - including cars or airplanes. ;-)

cu

Stulli

DISCLAIMER
I don't want to encourage or glorify drug use. Nor do I want to downplay the risks of various drugs. But I have been dealing with them for a long time (both theoretically and practically) and think that I can assess their danger very well. IMHO, the occasional use of psychedelic drugs is relatively safe for physically and mentally healthy adults. This does not mean that these drugs cannot be abused, which can lead to problems (including serious psychological damage). But this is more the exception than the rule and depends on the user and not the substance consumed.

"If politicians can decide which drugs are good and which are bad for the people, then I can too, because I ascribe at least the same decision-making ability and intelligence to myself as many, or most politicians. So I want to make my own decision too."
Rudi Gaul, Munich psychologist


PS
I don't want any more discussion about "drugs - yes or no?" kick off. Actually, I was only interested in the quantities in Berger's book. But so many have already expressed their opinion here that my post can do no harm. By the way: if you have a well-stocked library in your area, you can see if you can find "Coca und Cocain" by Christian Rätsch there. Not because of the book, but because of the good foreword that a Hamburg (?) Professor wrote on the subject of drugs and drug consumption. (If you are interested, you can of course read the book anyway.)

Hello !

I have now read through the last post carefully several times and have come to the conclusion that maybe everyone has their own 'drugs'.

Whether you get intoxicated with various substances or find your happiness in another way, maybe it will end up being the same, who knows.

One thing is for sure, no one wants addiction and dependence. And that's not what it was about.

Bye Alex

@ stulli: is the book "poisonous plants - plant poisons" enough for you as a serious source? this is a reference work for doctors who have had a drug accident in their practice, so that they can first find out how to get the person around the corner 100%;)
In addition, many drugs (including mescaline) play a role in the treatment of psychological problems that should not be underestimated!
regular use means + - regularly over a longer period of time. Of course, I don't want to say that you have irreparable damage from just 1-2 drug consumption, the damage at the beginning is usually always repairable, only with longer use, so if the damage "accumulates" so it becomes more and more serious, it becomes irreparable.
to the native american church: i think the physical health depends on what you said (stop in life) as well as the fact that whistling in cacti is not the only part of this belief movement but also other rules of behavior Part of it, you can also see that, as far as I know, significantly less nac followers are overweight, which is probably due to their fundamentally different (to the standard americans) attitude to life and thus to their eating habits.
furthermore, a psychoactive is much less dangerous if you take it "after the clock", for example the ceremonies are not "today I want to do it" but find themselves fed up with special occasions.A psychological dependence (which, as far as I know, is the main problem with drug addiction) only comes about when you take the drug because you want to suppress something with it and then the subconscious, so to speak, remembers "if my person whistles into the stuff I'm much better because then the problems disappear "or something similar (please correct me if I'm wrong)

you wrote that you also make "practical" attempts yourself. may I then ask whether you have ever tried mescaline in a "practical" experiment? if so how was that? Was the high really different from other drugs such as hemp / opium products, as is often claimed?

@ noisi: I don't find the idea bad at all that everyone has their own "drug", so to speak. I think everyone is psychologically "dependent" on something in their life, the dependence is probably not necessarily as strong as with real "drugs", but I have to say that I cannot imagine a life without actively making music myself. I think if I couldn't do that any more, a world would really collapse for me, and thoroughly. But of course our psychologist is asked about this point;)

greetings, ludwig

I just checked out Stulli's link, I have to say that this is also a possible explanation;)
But isn't there any institute or authority that ought to know (of course, it will be difficult to ask them without them immediately thinking that you want to get a boom)?

general to the problem:
i think it's difficult to answer because the cacti have not been explored well enough (thanks to america's policies / laws)!

gn8, loui

Ha, I didn't even notice that I was kicked out of the forum. :O

is the book "poisonous plants - plant poisons" enough for you as a serious source?

Thanks for the information. I'll have a look at it when I get the chance (I think it's available in the local library). However, it should always be taken into account that this is an attempt by scientists to compile a complete and objective list of all possible side effects. This is put into perspective if you read the package insert for a common drug.
Which is why I ask about "regular use": This is a very popular and often used term in this context - and completely devoid of meaning. It's my birthday regularly, the year is always one day longer, Halley's Comet regularly flies past our planet ...


furthermore, a psychoactive is much less dangerous if you take it "after the clock", for example the ceremonies are not "today I want to do it" but find themselves fed up with special occasions.

Yes, regularly, so to speak. ;-)

I have taken mescaline (San Pedro) only once so far - but the dose was probably a little too low. I got slightly euphoric and energetic - there wasn't really much more. Mushrooms are a lot better because there are hardly any fluctuations in their active ingredient content. Aldous Huxley gives a very interesting description of a mescaline trip: "The gates of perception" (supposedly "The Doors" were named after this essay). Usually found in a narrow book together with "Heaven and Hell" - an attempt that was not so successful. By the way, you can see from this that psychedelic drugs do not have a great dependency potential - heaven and hell are too close to each other (especially if you have psychological problems) to escape reality with them. A bigger problem is that these substances are (too) often consumed as a party drug because of their pleasant side effects.
"LSD- My problem child" by Albert Hofmann might also be mentioned, since LSD, Psiloc (yb) in and mescaline are quite similar in their effects - and on the other hand they are quite different from alcohol / hemp / opium.


Kind regards

Stulli


PS Richie Moscher (http://www.gruenekraft.net/html/gz172.php) recommends persuading people with problems with this group of drugs and, in extreme cases, a low dose of Valium.

yeah, that's in the book, in addition to giving coal powder, what my daddy says;) it would be completely feeble: D

greetings, ludwig

Hello Wolfgang!

... and you will surely not want to claim that people who smoke weed only do this because they taste it so good and not because they want to get high from it ...

greetings, ludwig

Hi first!

Well, I think there are some stuffy guys here! As long as we can legally destroy our body with butts and alcohol, especially those who use them should be nice and quiet!

And the thing about smoking weed is also a prejudice, because the good, "qualitative" taste is at least as important to me as the high effect, which is usually sufficiently present with good taste anyway ... well it should also people they say they drink beer because it tastes so good! But of course they're right, right? ...........

Most cannabis, peyote, etc ... enemies are stuffy types over 30 who are unfortunately mentally on the lowest level, because they are so hypocritical!

... I think the subject is through ...

hmm ...
in order to get a mescaline trip, one would have to eat the peyote with roots, as this is where most of the mescaline accumulates. However, it is then over and the question is really whether it is worth sacrificing such a beautiful plant because of a high, since the plant only has enough mescaline for a kick into space from a very old age. However, if you have had enough peyote, the stomach rebels. The trip with peyote is said to be much rougher than a trip with san pedro or trichocereus peruvianus.
For a trip, the normal dose is around 200-500 mg. mescaline indicated.

What would be much more worthwhile would be to buy and breed the peruvianus cacti just mentioned. These also grow under much worse conditions, contain significantly more mescaline than sanpedro (comparable to the content of peyote) and grow at least 30 cm per year under mediocre conditions.

I also want to point out the dangers of a meskalin trip here. The problem arises when the "user" gets scared. But it is caused by an inner feeling and not by the meskalin itself, that is the reason why the setting is always kept so high. if you feel uncomfortable, the feelings intensify and you can no longer get yourself under control.
What can definitely help to stay on the ground is meditative training.

Basically, people with a traumatic past are advised to stay away from psychaedelics of any kind.

What bullshit I'm reading here!
If you want to get your mescaline trip, you would like to go to a head shop in Vonlo or anywhere else and buy a slice of dried San Pedro there, or several for about 5 € each and get your intoxication there!
Please forgive our poor peyote !!!!
Peyote in our latitudes does not produce enough mescaline to induce a high anyway!
You only get thin shit !! lol
Lophophoras are rarities, and the price of the full-blown peyote exceeds the value of any drug, so complete nonsense!
our poor plants !!!!

Hello everyone!

I just signed up - and already discovered an interesting topic!

I had to laugh a lot while reading!

So that with peyote and San Pedro is just one of those things.
If you have to wait 10 years until the cactus has produced enough mescaline, I imagine "harvesting" as very hard,
But the experience of what one has on the drug is probably unimaginable!
A San Pedro gets very big very quickly, above all you can buy them everywhere and sometimes at very cheap prices.
This is by far not as mystical as with peyote ...
Above all, the peyote is (in my eyes) much "more attractive and looks so mind-expanding.
Somehow this cactus brings a very special flair to my room 8)

What else comes to mind about the alkaloid content in the cactus:
San Pedro almost only contains mescaline,
whereas peyote also produces other alkaloids that are said to have a positive effect on the intoxication.
Some people think that a peyote high is different from a San Pedro high.
I don't know because I haven't tried either.
But I would be interested ...

So now I've added my enf to it!
> just my two cents <: wink:

Peace ...
Lyserg
Also wanted to get rid of my opinion

Hey
About 18 years ago a friend of mine at the time received a 7 cm (in diameter) large peyote from a cactus collector who closed his collection. The peyote stood on his balcony all summer, pushing one flower after the other. In winter my friend's restlessness grew and he decided to slaughter the cactus and enjoy the "trip". He cut it into slices, put them in milk because of the bitter substances and put the bowl in the refrigerator to let it "steep". The next day he ate a few slices and realized - nothing!
The same on the second day.
On the third day he must have noticed something because the next day he arrived at me really pale and uttered the words "Never again". He was the type of guy who tried everything on drugs and if he said that it must have been tough. When I asked, he told me he had had great experiences with colors and sounds and then from now on he would have been full of horror and with him the Indian skeletons would have galloped through the room on skeleton horses and tore their lower jaws out and threatened him and Mescalito would have warned him to stay away from peyote. Apart from that, he kicked his heart out ... He started to tremble while telling about it.
I have no idea whether this beautiful peyote (back then I didn't have this cactus craze, otherwise I would have tried to save the peyote - it was certainly very valuable in size) originally came from Mexico or was grown from seeds here. The fact is: I still believe today the story my friend told back then. Precisely because he has tried everything on drugs (at that time he often worked on drugs that had an effect on the psyche, such as LSD, thorn apple, toadstool, etc.).
I can only warn everyone to get drunk on natural drugs if they have no idea about them. Nobody knows the dose that is still tolerable. That depends on your own daily constitution and also on your psychological stability. The growing conditions of the plant, the season and much more are important. As an example, I can name another (casual) acquaintance of mine who was constantly threading psyllos (mushrooms) and other things like that and then just wanted to rob a bank because he had no more money. The buddy, whom he had asked to drive him to the bank to get money, had to explain a few things to the police even though he knew nothing of the other's plans. The "bank robber" got into the trap after he was being interrogated and "wanted to catch his thoughts with his hands because they were floating away from him". He just got stuck on one of his many trips. Never saw him again!
That the peyotes are "ready for a voyage" here as well is proven for me by this story at the time. Maybe it just takes a long time and the plants must first be old and therefore too expensive for the average "druggist" (thank God). The little peyotes will hardly bring anything here. But slaughtering such an old valuable cactus for a few hours of soaring or horror flight is really a crime!
I would just like to know why there was an experience only on the third day. Did a certain mirror first have to build up in the body or how does that come about? Not that I want to try it out, but for the many users who don't listen it would probably be important. Maybe you can get stuck on peyote if you overdo it (like on LSD, psyllos and many other drugs)
Maybe someone can say something
bye
Petra

Hello!

So that with the "delayed" effect of the peyote can happen.
For example, it also depends very much on whether you have eaten something before and how much ...
But two days are tough!
If you imagine you are consuming on Saturday, you feel nothing,
and on Monday at work it starts - huarr ...
But I'm also active in a drug forum
I'll ask how that can happen!

I believe that such an experience goes in the direction of "horror" from the start, if the effect sets in completely unexpectedly.
If you know: "It will start in an hour", you are simply prepared and know roughly
what to expect (if you've already tried hallucinogens - of course).
And I believe that if he has tried other things like mushrooms / LSD / thorn apple,
that he has definitely prepared.

With hallucinogenic substances, the set (the place) and the setting (the attitude / circumstances of the user) are very, very important!
If you sit in the subway on mescaline / LSD / mushrooms / ..,
you get 100% "in a bad mood" and get states of fear / paranoia / existential fear / ...!
If you sit in the forest in a beautiful clearing, it can be a very nice experience!


I can only warn everyone to get drunk on natural drugs if they have no idea about them. Nobody knows the dose that is still tolerable. That depends on your own daily constitution and also on your psychological stability. The growing conditions of the plant, the season and much more are important

I agree.
In the case of natural drugs, dosing is actually very difficult,
Nevertheless, there are very good guidelines, with which almost nothing can go wrong (poisoning, overdose, etc.) ...
It's just a tightrope walk.
Not even with synthetic substances like LSD or mescaline,
you can be sure that the "trip" will go well.
I can only quote Timothy Leary (that was the man who spread LSD) as he answers the question,
why he doesn't "want to make it big and sell":

> Because you're not know, what you're gettin '<

... and he's absolutely right.
You can have the most beautiful trip of your life with the same dose,
other times it can be that you end up in the slap!
And that goes for all hallucinogens!

As for the "bank robber", I think it's really bad what can happen there.
I would call this a classic case of "stuck".
And of course you can get stuck on any drug;
also on cannabis, which is always so belittled ...
I also know a story where a 16-year-old played the angel's trumpet
Has cut off his penis with secateurs!

So now about myself:
I used to experiment with mushrooms.
I "tripped" about 7 times and had really 6 wonderful experiences!
It's just an "expansion of consciousness" and can really be very instructive.
Not that I would say "I've learned so much new"
you get to know the subjectivity of perception.
You look at things with completely different eyes.
You get to know yourself better and the world in which we live.
But I want this "drug" (you can't really say drug because you can't really get addicted to it
since this condition is simply too strenuous to do it every day)
in no way glorify !!!
My last trip was a real drive through hell!
I don't want to go into this at all (if someone is interested, maybe ...),
I can only say, like Petra's ex-boyfriend, "Never again!"
It took almost a year until I had digested it all, and my life again
got under control - there was still a strong cannabis addiction,
that has thrown me even further ...
But today I say to myself: "It was good to have had this time",
because I learned a lot from it!

So now I'm done ...
Hope it didn't become too long: wink:

Peace ...

> No <

I'm writing a long post
and then I forget to log in again !!!!!!!

Argh: evil:

Well no matter...

Peace

So, now I asked in the drug forum,
because of the time delay of 2 days:

Actually everyone thought
that it is simply not possible that you only notice something after 2 days.
First, the dose of a peyote is far too little (regardless of
where he comes from); you would need at least 7 pieces and upwards at all
to notice something ...
Second, the two days just don't work
because the stomach has completely dissolved the stomach contents in a maximum of 3 hours.
That means it cannot happen that you only feel the wicking after 2 days!
If you eat something else, for example a steak,
and you would only get full of it after 2 days - that would be crazy!

He probably made up this story because of a peyotl
you can't have a "never again" experience ...
Why he invented this story is written in the stars
but you can ask him about it ...

No offense: wink:

Peace

Hey
As far as I know, LSD can still cause a "flash-back" months later. Wouldn't it be possible that the active ingredients (virtually accumulated in the body) suddenly show an effect? Would be my idea on the matter. I don't think he lied. Only since he has messed up so much I could imagine that there could have been a crossover effect. Isn't the LSD active ingredient stored in adipose tissue? How about mescaklin? Will it be eliminated immediately or will it be stored somewhere? Unfortunately, I don't know enough about it.
Bye
Petra

Hello !

So if I write here what I feel like right now, I will probably be kicked out of the forum!

I think that calling for drug use is pretty wrong!

When I want to travel I get on the train. So thank you.

Mfg Alex

PS: I think you've already "nibbled" a few too many cacti.

what are you so upset about? i have never seen anyone who has consumed peyote. everyone intends to do it first, and then they find the plant very beautiful and then reach for san pedro.
and let the people consume. you hear the word drug, but you have no idea what you are talking about. Mescaline (like lsd and mushroom-psilocyn) is neither physically nor mentally addictive. These substances were used in `60 and` 70 against migraines and other psychological problems. Mescaline even helps with alcohol withdrawal therapy, and it does so very successfully. so please don't interfere if you have no idea. it is actually not a drug in that sense, but as the shamans in south and central america say, medicine for body and soul!

I don't understand this intolerance of the "wannabe antidroglers" at all. you drink coffee, black tea and beer because you like it, only that is fooled by your brain. Smokers also say the cigarette tastes good, at least I don't think so. and a glass of wine also relaxes you (that's not a drug - yeah?). alk is one of the hard drugs.

people who take psychedelics don't do that every weekend (there are clear exceptions everywhere). i trip a maximum of three to four times a year. does that make me a junky?
and i have to say the best trip so far was with meskalin, boiled tr. macrogonus. was a very nice experience. nevertheless I have no desire for it. You can't do something like that every time anyway, because otherwise it wouldn't be anything special, and you need at least a day's rest afterwards. of course i will trip again, but only if the circumstances invite one to do so. - someone wrote earlier, a red wine to go with the good meal. so you can see it here too. e.g. nice weather, you are outside in the garden enjoying your day off. and then you trip to it.

Hey
As far as I know, LSD can still cause a "flash-back" months later. Wouldn't it be possible that the active ingredients (virtually accumulated in the body) suddenly show an effect? Would be my idea on the matter. I don't think he lied. Only since he has messed up so much I could imagine that there could have been a crossover effect. Isn't the LSD active ingredient stored in adipose tissue? How about mescaklin? Will it be eliminated immediately or will it be stored somewhere? Unfortunately, I don't know enough about it.
Bye
Petra

if you were to find out more, you would find out that there are no "flashbacks" at all. no it is not stored in the tissue. lsd itself is out of the body after three hours (although the intoxication can sometimes last up to 12 hours). meskalin is out of the blood after one day and out of the urine at the latest after three days.
go into the drug forum and ask. Nobody had flashbacks yet. all fairy tales.

i have to say the best trip so far was with meskalin, boiled tr. macrogonus.
how much did you take there - I always thought the t. macrogonus contains much less mescaline than t. pachanoi?

i have to say the best trip so far was with meskalin, boiled tr. macrogonus.
how much did you take there - I always thought the t. macrogonus contains much less mescaline than t. pachanoi?

approx. 18 cm high and 12 cm in diameter.
But that's not true. apparently there are still several subspecies or high breeds. there is macrogonus, these contain almost as much mesk as peruvianus. and others too. the same applies to other types of trichocereen. e.g. bridgesii are types that are from not at all to very strongly potent. is different. if you are interested in the subject, read entheogen leaves issue 3-5. they will be helped: o

Hey
As far as I know, LSD can still cause a "flash-back" months later. Wouldn't it be possible that the active ingredients (virtually accumulated in the body) suddenly show an effect? Would be my idea on the matter. I don't think he lied. Only since he has messed up so much I could imagine that there could have been a crossover effect. Isn't the LSD active ingredient stored in adipose tissue? How about mescaklin? Will it be eliminated immediately or will it be stored somewhere? Unfortunately, I don't know enough about it.
Bye
Petra

I can only agree with Anonymous! Flashbacks have not yet been detected ...

Somehow I think you have completely wrong ideas about drugs.
How should an active ingredient accumulate and be stored in the body? Example: You drink a beer - half an hour later the alcohol takes effect; the effect occurs - now the body comes into play: It breaks down the alcohol (to be more precise, the liver does it) and the blood is constantly being cleaned by the kidneys ...
I don't think it has ever happened to anyone that a beer did not work until two days later because the substance (in this case alcohol) was stored in the body - that is simply not possible!

For information only: the only thing that is stored in the body is the information that the active ingredient (whatever) was in the body - this information is stored in the hair ...
Each active ingredient can only be detected very briefly in the blood:
When the substance has been absorbed by the body, it is carried throughout the body in the blood; Once you have fasted again (that means that the active ingredient has been completely broken down), the blood is in fact back to the way it was before the intake. i.e. that the substance can only be detected in the blood as long as one is intoxicated.
After the active ingredient has been filtered out of the lut, it ends up in the stool and in the urine - to be excreted. This takes different lengths of time depending on the substance (cannabis: up to 4 weeks; cocaine: ~ 2 days).
The information about consumption is stored in the hair for the longest time - until you cut your hair ...
I don't know how it is with the tissue. But do not think that any substance could become embedded in the fabric!


Only since he has messed up so much I could imagine that there could have been a crossover effect.

A "cross-over effect" cannot occur either, no substance only works after 2 days and it does not matter how many substances you have consumed and how many of them.

He must have lied!

Or this trip has so destroyed his sense of time that hours have turned into days ...

Just ask him about it!

Good evening,

So actually I don't want to interfere here.
Just wanted to say something on the subject of flshback.
Every serious consumer knows the "flashback".
I definitely don't consume anything anymore !!
A flashback can still occur for a few days ... um, I'll say psychonautics seminar;) !!
It happens quickly, especially with LSd and XTC.
I only know it in connection with THC.
For example, if you smoke yourself the next day after a trip, the effect may come back a little (but doesn't have to)
You just read something in forums where some "kiddies" hang around and parrot it.
The flashback has not been proven, however, that is true; one does not know why it is so.
If you have nibbled a mushroom or smelled the SanPedro, that doesn't happen of course;)

Finally something else:

LET THE DRUGS OUT OF YOUR HEAD !!

you just think, haha ​​fun trip, great colors.
Until you get to know the opposite side of hallucinogens!

It happens quickly, especially with LSd and XTC.

I only know it in connection with THC.
For example, if you smoke yourself the next day after a trip, the effect may come back a little (but doesn't have to)
You just read something in forums where some "kiddies" hang around and parrot it.
The flashback has not been proven, however, that is true; one does not know why it is so.
If you've nibbled a mushroom or smelled the SanPedro, that doesn't happen of course;)



it doesn’t happen at xtc. Up until now it was only suspected of being hallucinogenic, but that is not true either. Of course, if someone "gets stuck", they probably have their flashbacks for life. this sticking is mostly triggered by something else. folks, please inform yourself in advance before writing such a crap.

and with thc it is because the thc is broken down very very slowly in the blood. For example, if you are drunk and have a drink a few hours later, then you will get back to your old state ...

Hi Tricho,

So I don't need to get any information!
I say this because I practically experienced it on myself.

"And with thc it is because the thc is broken down in the blood very, very slowly. For example, if you are drunk and drink something a few hours later, then you will get back to your old state ..."

Look you say it yourself!
If you've been in the right mood over a weekend, the active ingredients are not right out of your blood when you're down.
And in connection with THC it can quickly lead to a flashback.

But I don't care what statisticians say who have never taken anything and want to tell others something.

I'm staying out of here now!

bye

Sasha

that's partly true, but then it's not a flashback.
besides, we shouldn't be discussing the subject here. : o many will not understand it.

to the flashbacks:

first of all, their existence is controversial.

Second, if they do exist, they are definitely not related to any drug residues in the body (they do not exist), but are phenomena of a purely psychological nature. if this is true, all intense experiences could trigger flashbacks - psychedelic trips are of course intense experiences, but sex, accidents, death of loved ones etc. are also conceivable as triggering flashbacks.

@AstrophytumX: I totally agree with you - a psychedelic trip is much more than haha-bright colors. but a profound journey through your own personality. When used responsibly, it is an incredibly fascinating, enriching, and potentially positively transforming matter.

@AstrophytumX: I totally agree with you - a psychedelic trip is much more than haha-bright colors. but a profound journey through your own personality. When used responsibly, it is an incredibly fascinating, enriching, and potentially positively transforming matter.

: yo:

for information ... (http://www.wired.com/news/medtech/0,1286,69477,00.html)

hmm ...
in order to get a mescaline trip, one would have to eat the peyote with roots, as this is where most of the mescaline accumulates. However, it is then over and the question is really whether it is worth sacrificing such a beautiful plant because of a high, since the plant only has enough mescaline for a kick into space from a very old age. However, if you have had enough peyote, the stomach rebels. The trip with peyote is said to be much rougher than a trip with san pedro or trichocereus peruvianus.
For a trip, the normal dose is around 200-500 mg. mescaline indicated.

What would be much more worthwhile would be to buy and breed the peruvianus cacti just mentioned. These also grow under much worse conditions, contain significantly more mescaline than sanpedro (comparable to the content of peyote) and grow at least 30 cm per year under mediocre conditions.

I also want to point out the dangers of a meskalin trip here. The problem arises when the "user" gets scared. But it is caused by an inner feeling and not by the meskalin itself, that is the reason why the setting is always kept so high. if you feel uncomfortable, the feelings intensify and you can no longer get yourself under control.
What can definitely help to stay on the ground is meditative training.

Basically, people with a traumatic past are advised to stay away from psychaedelics of any kind.


: evil: PACKING HEELSHOT: evil:

LEAVE THE PEYOTE ALIVE IF YOU WANT TO EAT THEM! THE ROOT IS PROVENLY CONTAINED LESS MESCALINE ...
EVERY NATIONAL INDIAN HAS THIS KNOWLEDGE AND THEREFORE ONLY TAKES THE BUTTONS! TO ALLOW THE PLANT TO CONTINUE. THE SENSE OF THE PEYOTE RITUAL IS TO GAIN AWARENESS; BUT IT BRINGS
NOTHING
IT WITHOUT CONSUMING THIS. THANKS TO THE HOLY PLANT IN CONSCIOUSNESS IN FAITH IN THE DIVINE IS OF GREAT IMPORTANCE! A 1-2 WEEK FAST TO PREPARE FOR THE HOLY RITE IS OPTIMAL AND LEADS TO A BETTER ACCEPTANCE OF AWARENESS:
WHO JUST TAKES A PEYOTE OR, FOR EXAMPLE, MUSHROOMS (PARTY, ETC.), DOESN'T HAVE TO BE WONDERED IF HE MAY EXPERIENCE A HORROR TRIP OR ANYTHING OTHERWISE.
WITHOUT AWARENESS
THIS RITUAL IS NO DIFFERENT FROM THAT
: oops: OF AN ALCOHOLIC: oops:

LET THE DRUGS OUT OF YOUR HEAD !!

you just think, haha ​​fun trip, great colors.
Until you get to know the opposite side of hallucinogens!

Since you do not respond to unregistered users (I can understand) I once registered (Bild newspaper Fred).

So, if you mean seriously, one thinks to yourself: "haha, fun trip, great colors", then you either consumed with the wrong people (you write nothing MORE) or never dealt with the topic.

It's not about bright colors (any serious psychedelic will tell you that the visual hallucinations are just the nicest side effect of a chemical substance, but nothing more than that, a side effect).

Let's take myself, I've only had LSD experiences so far (in fact, no THC, when I was 14, I used to drink alcohol for a while, but when I was 16 at the latest, the alcohol repulsed me) so no illegal drugs except for LSD. Binn now 21.

I was an egomaniac, I wasn't able to arrange my life even with my parents. Constant arguing with everyone, the smallest stress turned into a huge annoyance in my head, for which the others were always to blame. LSD has helped me to understand myself as the unimportant tiny being that I am. THAT is definitely a positive effect of LSD.

I can talk to people who have a different opinion without dismissing them as fools and insulting them, only through acid did I become aware that opinions were individual and not absolute (everyone is clear, just not always aware)

I discovered my interest in religion, in the 19 years before my first acid trip I may have read 5 books, in the first few months afterwards 6 (not only drug books, also Buddhism etc.)

And yes, I know the dark side, I have already toyed with the idea of ​​killing myself if it would only stop (Leary's psychedelic experience helps in such situations unnoticed)

I prepare for a trip, I create a positive set and setting for myself (a wonderful little lake, far away from any road, only travel on vacation, rarely alone) BTW, by the way, I'm doing my Abitur now, which I don't do with the acid Would push (from high school up) but it is counter-evidence that drug users are drifting away.

Is it my problem now that many people disrespectfully use these drugs like alcohol or a stronger version of cannabis? Wouldn't the problem be solved if people were finally educated? Besides, do you have to decide what other people do as long as they don't hurt anyone?

You are right when you say that it is a pity to kill the peyotl, I think San Pedro is more defensible ...

To the flashbacks ...

The flashbacks are definitely not a drug effect.

The human body is not a good place for LSD, warm, humid ...

Nevertheless, taking LSD produces flashbacks for some users (unfortunately I am not receiving this blessing), but this is not a drug effect, but a memory phenomenon. LSD opens gates that humans can safely open again on their own, in the past people liked to call that visionary look. It doesn't have to be caused by LSD. Unfortunately, I only have this on a very small scale, when I go to the lake I trip to, I always remember the beauty and spirituality that this place offers when the filters of the brain are bypassed.It is then possible, when I sit down and relax completely, that I reach into a gentle trip-like state, but which does not come close to an ego dissolution.

Just look in the USA, children who do not follow school and daydreaming are diagnosed with ADD, they are given drugs that no longer stiffen them on the language and symbol systems, that they may not start daydreaming much better.

Had Buddha lived today, he would have been considered a stupid eccentric, or he would have been pressed into a "real" role as a child ....

Drugs can help us to leave the acquired thought patterns and to see the world again through the eyes of a child (Buddha nature, from Zen Buddhism), to consciously experience that one is part of creation, that one is not above it, around it to abuse.

What I really don't like is when there is a gamble against consumers without knowing them.

I can only recommend Huxley's book "The Portals of Perception" to everyone, as everything he has written is great. It's about mescaline, and it gives you a tiny, absolutely inadequate idea of ​​what to expect with psychedelic drugs. If you want to go on saying "crazy" OK, but not without knowing the other side (by the way, a way of thinking (don't criticize anything you haven't even tried to understand) that only became open to me through trips.

As I said, I hope for a little more mutual understanding.

Theoretically it would also be possible that we abuse the plants if we have them in our rooms and leave their "spirit" unused, right?

I thought I shit when I read the post from Kreuterhexe ... a shaman who is very familiar with the effects ... may well be ... can help you with any problems ... that's probably him greatest joke! If you get serious physical problems on such a trip, only a doctor on the detox station can help you, who you reveal all things and tell him what you have done - admittedly, the shaman might save your life, but largely from permanent damage do not save under any circumstances !!

ludwig

Mhh, teach me better, but are there really serious physical side effects with mescaline that can be fatal?

Most of it is likely to be psychosomatic ...

And a doctor is probably the last. If a friend takes me in his arms and tells me that it will all be over soon, that helps (also against "palpitations", "cardiac arrest" etc. etc. which can not come from LSD), even if you come from Leary's Pregelsen "The Psychedelic Experience" gets that ...

If I imagined at such a critical point a doctor would pump my stomach out, OMG, THAT would probably do serious damage ...

Otherwise I think more of a psychotherapist in a suit than of shamans, each according to his / her cultural circle. An appropriately trained psychotherapist could be of great help during the trip. That would be one of the possible kite psycheelics to really integrate into society, but that's crazy and unrealistic.

That's how long you have to put up with hugs and talk down from friends ...

Which is imho much better than a detox, pumping out your stomach, etc.

Pumping out the stomach does not help at all, because the acid is in the brain long before it starts to work ...

greeting

LOL plapla ..
Like phenetylamines or womenswear, LSD can be fatal.
In the event of an overdose, liver failure, kidney failure or pulmonary paralysis.
LOL and I don't think it helps with cardiac arrest that someone reads a fairy tale from 1001 nights.
Violently .....
If you psychologically cannot cope with hallucinogens, you should just leave it alone. And you shouldn't overdo it with the dose.

LOL plapla ..
Like phenetylamines or womenswear, LSD can be fatal.
In the event of an overdose, liver failure, kidney failure or pulmonary paralysis.

"A lethal dose could not be determined; it is estimated at 14,000 micrograms." from: http://www.gruene-berlin.de/drogen/LAG-Drogen/lsd.html

Since a recent study of Spanish cardboard on the black market found that cardboard rarely contains more than 60 µg these days, you would have to take 234 cardboard to cause a fatal overdose.

I've never heard of organ failure when consuming LSD, but I'd like to be taught a better one. (And please not the friend, a brother-in-law, the sister, a friend of your brother. You don't believe how many people I know who know someone who jumped out the window on LSD (although there is only one documented case, it must have been very popular be the man)



LOL and I don't think it helps with cardiac arrest that someone reads a fairy tale from 1001 nights.
Violently .....

Yes, that's right, sorry I forgot, Leary was a pure fool, etc. etc.

Yes, he made mistakes (above all he is to blame for the ban on LSD, because he only aroused real interest in youth culture, he should have just stayed on the serious path, becoming part of the hippie culture himself was a part huge mistake, plus that it is an artificial product, and only rarely authentic) but he understood the mechanism of action of LSD.

According to him (and also according to Albert Hofmann, if you need a more serious source, even all these do-gooders like "no power to drugs" do not warn against physical harm from LSD consumption) no physical harm. But LSD can make you believe you are dying ...

If I introduce mri on a horror, a doctor would pump my stomach out without considering that it would not work anymore, strap me down (of course I would defend myself) give me medication that I do not want (I always have benzodiazepines with me, but still never used, only as a last resort), the horror would grow immeasurably ...

Racing heart on LSD is purely psychosomatic, for example when you come up you often think "hui, now my heart is racing", it is enough to realize at the beginning that this is just imagination. Once the imagination is so strong (on a bad trip) the heartbeat goes down again when the bad trip is calmed down, and NO, a doctor of conventional medicine cannot do that, or only with medication ...

A good friend can do this much better, hugging the person, making the person aware that he has taken drugs, making the person aware that it will all be over at some point ...

And the instructions from Leary's psychedelic experience are imho well suited, as they do not guide you to defend yourself, but simply to let yourself go, to give up the defending ego ...

You don't think so? Well, I know better what I have experienced, fear of death and horro has turned into an absolutely profound experience with mri through meditation, breathing exercises and dropping ...


If you psychologically cannot cope with hallucinogens, you should just leave it alone and you shouldn't overdo it with the dose.

What does not get along, not get along do those who take this drug without any respect, who do not prepare, have no knowledge of the drug, and do not find it important to keep their heads completely ...

Don't overdo the dose? Doesn't it depend on which experiences you want? If you want to go to the disco, you shouldn't overdo it, if you really want psychedelic experiences and are experienced enough, you inevitably have to increase the dose ... I am definitely not ready to take high doses, you should be a bit older and more stable ...

Don't get me wrong, LSD is arguably the most dangerous drug in the world, but in my opinion it is the only one that is worth the risk (along with the other psychedelics). The difference is, however, that with LSD the risk can be reduced if you prepare well and don't see the whole thing as fun ...

People with a psychologically stressed history should generally stay away from psychedelics.

Did you notice anything by the way?

I didn't use LOL, didn't indirectly dismiss you as a spinner with my writing style, would be nice if you let mri do that too.

I don't really think that you can bring a source for the organ damage caused by LSD (by the way, I use MAXIMUM 5 times a year ...)

friendly greeting: wink:

Yes, in principle these are all just statements from Staists who have never taken LSD or anything like that, but you should be careful.
Organ failure was more focused on consuming psychedelic cacti or mushrooms.
In fact, with LSD, I haven't heard of it yet.
There are many stories about these things .........
Human closeness is important on what you call horror trips, which is why you shouldn't consume alone.
I always had respect for it and luckily I know my limits.
I want to warn against it, because many think .. ah great optics ... I want more .. but you have to be careful.
Many broke their heads in this way.
I would consider it a stimulant, not a drug; it always depends on how you treat it.
I definitely don't consume anything anymore but I've tried almost everything in my Sturm und Drangzeit;)
If I said it would not have shaped my psyche, whether positive or negative, then I would have to lie.
But we shouldn't continue to discuss all of this here !!!
My LOLEn wasn't meant to be negative towards you either, I just always find these posts funny .... May I find out how old you are?
Villeichzt you noticed, here is a cactus forum not a drug forum;)


friendly greeting

'Sasha

Yes, everything is not eaten as hot as it is cooked ...

As mentioned above, I am 21 years old, I used it for the first time when I was 19 (as I said, previously only had an alk phase from 14-16, otherwise no drugs, only LSD a maximum of 5 times a year)

Right, this is a cactus forum, but I've been reading this for a long time. And I say, with the proportion of those who ask plump about rearing, about mescaline content, etc., etc. to get some colorful hallus, as you say, it might be very good if a few serious consumers are represented who are ready are that to be examined a little more closely ...

As I said, imho LSD has helped me to be a "better" person, especially when dealing with others ...

Alcohol has always disgusted me and I have no desire for other "hedonistic" drugs.

I guess a lot of people don't know how some people see LSD, mescaline and psylocibine.

However, I also see the killing of rare plants as a problem ...

Hello all you "ethnobotanists" and "cactus eaters",

if you follow this thread, you come to the opinion that something is slowly but surely drifting very strongly.
What does all of this have to do with caring for and collecting cacti and other succulents?
Keep the forum clean!
Stick to the relevant topics!

Prickly greetings forest tomcat

How about if to solve the problem that people keep coming in here asking about mescalin content and the best way to bang around, simply pin a topic above explaining this ...

So where it simply says that questions about consumption are not wanted here, and discussions on the topic (if desired at all, but can hardly be avoided) are only wanted in ONE thread, which is then linked there ...

Possibly then also with a small faq, or a link to a forum where the questions are more likely to be answered.

Then the problem might be solved, and the mods wouldn't have that much work with this area ...

High, oh pardon, hey,

what is the position of the operator of this forum or his appointed journeymen (moderators) of this division on this topic?
Silence in the forest ???

Prickly greetings from Waldkater, hicks.

The operator of the forum earns a lot from cacti containing mescaline, right?

It also says in our Basic Law (~ fairy tale book):

The right to freedom of expression

Why do some people just think they have to tell others what to think, do and act? : roll:
: roll:: roll:: roll:: roll:: roll:: roll:: roll:: roll:: roll:: roll:: roll:: roll:: roll:

Whether in politics (see Iran) or with the cactus lovers!
In the first case of Iran, there has already been an indirect reaction to its statement on taboo topic number 1, the Holocaust:
France threatens to use nuclear weapons!

Those who reacted upset after this statement by J.Chirac, but at the same time want to forbid their fellow human beings from speaking in this forum should practice more humanity.

Who are the: grr good guys and who are the: D bad guys? Or better, who determines this?
I set the smilies this way on purpose, because the dualism is present everywhere (Ying & Yang)

So, I hope my statement doesn't hit somewhere?